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The TEI Council teleconference meeting took place on Friday 15 June at 12:00 UTC.
Participants: Syd Bauman (SB), David Birnbaum (DB), Lou Burnard (LB), Arianna Ciula (AC), James Cummings (Minutes;JC), Matthew Driscoll (MD), Dan O’Donnel (DO), Dot Porter (Left early;DP), Sebastian Rahtz (SR), Laurent Romary (Left early;LR), Conal Tuohy (CT), John Walsh (JW), and Christian Wittern (Chair;CW).
Council members unable to participate: Tone Merete Bruvik (TMB)
CW reviewed action items from the Great Unified Report on progress made since the last
meeting (
- SB reports that this has been done.
- SB reports that this has been done as part of the person/place workgroup
- DO hadn’t completed this. LB circulated concerns about this on 2007-05-19, which
was discussed on 2007-05-21, confirming LB’s changes.
Confirm trac #332 (witList/witDetail) is properly resolved. 2007-07-13 - DO reported that a vote had taken place on this and that it was approved by a
majority of the Board. The decision was to have the TEI Consortium be the authors of
the work, but DO will circulate the exact wording and Board decision.
Circulate Board decision with regard to title page and exact wording to Council. 2007-06-22 Implement Board decision with regard to title page. 2007-07-13 - Proposal from MD had been circulated at Berlin; MD, DO, and LB had not yet had time to progress this. Action continuing.
- DO was originally assigned this, but LB claims this as an editors job to be done
near date of publication. CW (as Council chair) was
requested to draft a
list of workgroups and their members for editors to
include in appendix.
Three tasks here:
, , Draft list of workgroups and their members for editors. 2007-08-01 - DP reminded Council how this issue arose. LB reports that this was the use of gap
to mark something a transcriber of speech had left something out.
Confirm the gap in transcribed speech example and surrounding text has been clarified. 2007-07-13 - DP reported that she had had investigated and had no recommendations for re-wording of HD.
- LB reported on the process suggested on the Council mailing list. SB pointed out
the inconsistencies in gloss and desc.
Regularize glosses on *specs passim. 2007-07-13 - SB reports that LB has already done this.
- DP reports that this has been done. LB reports that the errors have now been corrected.
- DP recommended removing it. LB justified its inclusion and SB reminded DO that
this applies only the TEI file not the output. DP/JW accept that we leave the
recommendation but agree with SB that a good compromise is to remove the word
‘strongly’. Council suggests the Editors tone down the
recommendation.
Review current wording in light of Council’s recommendation. 2007-07-13 - DB reminded the Council that egXML claims to contain well-formed XML, but only
does so if egXML is counted as the root element. The current wording needs to be
rephrased.
Propose a revision of egXML desc and send it to LB. 2007-07-13 - JW reported this had been completed.
Ensure errors reported by JW in VE have been corrected. 2007-07-13 - SR clarified the purpose of this action (to mention
that PIs provide an alternative to use of the divGen
element). LB now understands and will do it.
Add discussion of PIs to CO.8.2.2. 2007-07-13 - As 15-19 are all on SB to do and have not been completed, discussion of them was
bypassed.
Change q to quote in MS. 2007-07-13 Finish 3066 to 4646 update. 2007-07-27 create second said proposal for q and said, post both. 2007-07-13 move postscript to a free standing ODD. 2007-07-13 remove wording of description of resp in prose PH.1.2 & PH.1.3. 2007-07-13 - MD/DB haven’t had time to do this yet but will make a concerted effort and
understand the task at hand. If not done by deadline, it will be dropped for P5 1.0,
which Council agreed would be a shame.
Stemma modeling using graph elements. 2007-07-13 - JW related the concern as expressed on TEI-L that changing @rend would not be
well-received by the TEI community. LB agreed that @rendRef (or similar) would be
beneficial. All agreed that the TEI says nothing
concerning output; @rend and @rendRef are alternative
ways of documenting rendition of the source text. LB points out that more detailed
reconsideration of global attributes is a different task. SR suggests a new module for
rendition which would include @rendRef. LB notes that
there may be insufficient time to produce a
new module for P5 1.0, but that they could prepare the way through warnings and
discussion of the problem in P5 1.0.
Rewrite rendition recommendations and evaluate whether possible for P5 1.0. 2007-08-01 Prepare the ground for changes to rendition/@rend/@rendRef in P5 1.1 if JW’s recommendations cannot be included in P5 1.0. 2007-08-01
- CT reports that this is on track for P5 1.0. Council agreed that this is
something that the TEI community wants. SB reminds Council that simplicity is what is
needed for P5 1.0. LB was concerned about the timescale. CT reported on the work which
has been done and asked Council to review at least the Comenius example in the next
two weeks and comment to Council mailing list. He will then revise in light of this
response. If not completed and submitted to editors by 2007-08-01, then it will not be
included in P5 1.0.
Review work on facsimile markup , especially Comenius example, report to Council list. 2007-06-29 Redraft facsimile markup material in response to Council concerns. 2007-08-01 - LB asked for clarification of this action. Concrete
suggestions for change were needed. SB, DP,
and MD, and any other Council members present will
discuss next week whilst in Victoria for the DHSI and come up
with some specific proposals.
Discuss merging of Corpus chapter in DS, and if necessary come up with concrete proposals for implementation (or not). 2007-06-29 Implement any recommendations concerning the merging of Corpus into DS. 2007-07-13 - DB reported that after examination he can’t see where else it can go in the
Guidelines. It must be before the chapters which follow it. SB recommended removing
discussions of schema languages from this chapter and placing them elsewhere.
Revise ST to be more ODD focused and move any schema specific material to chapter on ODD specification. 2007-07-13 - As TMB was not present, SB reported on her behalf that work is progressing on
this. SB summarised issues of how the Guidelines deal with problems of overlap in P5
and that the chapter doesn’t differentiate them or make clear recommendations. SB
suggests making this a separate module, removing next/prev/part from SA. Since SB
doesn’t have the time to work on this TMB should provide concrete proposals to Council
list by 1 July. Concern was expressed at the
feasibility of both creating a new module and making
major changes in an existing one (SA) in the time available.
Provide concrete proposals to Council list on necessary reorganisation/reworking of NH. 2007-07-01 - LR reported on the progress of the Dictionary chapter. Revision should be
finished in 2 weeks, after which the Editors will review
the material.
Complete final revision of Dictionary chapter and submit to Editors in two weeks. 2007-06-29 Editors to integrate final Dictionary revisions into Guidelines. 2007-07-13
LB reported on the Person/Places meeting that took
place at CCH. He has finished a draft based on the recommendations of this and
the previous meetings. As this is a significant revision to existing
person/place/organisation markup he desires Council and TEI Community comment on the
draft. Hence, he has repurposed an existing mailing list to use as a forum for such
discussion. CW queried the timeframe for the entire process. LB said that the draft
would be posted and announced to Council and TEI-L with people directed to comment on
that mailing list. This consultation period will last for just under a month.
LR reported on the ISO FSD activity and TEI involvement
with that. There is an upcoming ISO meeting concerning it where a final draft is
desireable. It was suggested that we either keep it basically as it is, or drop it
entirely, which the Council felt would be a shame. Merging FSD and FS into a single
module would make it easier to keep stable and in step
with the ISO standards. At very least a health
warning could be applied to current chapters, but it would be good to have a final draft
before the next ISO meeting. LB agreed to limit the time spent on this task, and abandon it if not feasible.
CW reiterated that most things need to be done by mid/end July. SR suggested a due date
of 1 August for all technical changes. In answer to SB’s concern that this was too
early, it was agreed that this was not a complete technical freeze, but anything added
post 1 August must be in a complete state for approval and proofreading by Council, or
be deemed necessary work that arises from intermediate revision or proofreading. Council
will not accept anything new after this date; only crucial revisions and bug
fixes will be possible.
The next teleconference was scheduled for Tuesday 17 July, 12pm noon UTC. This will
be:
06:00 MDT in Calgary,
07:00 CDT in Chicago,
08:00 EDT in New
York,
13:00 BST in London,
14:00 CEST in Paris,
21:00 JST in Kyoto,
and
Wed 18 July, 00:00 NZST in Wellington.
As a result the previous deadline
of 2007-07-15 for completing previously assigned tasks (unless otherwise scheduled)
was moved forward to 2007-07-13 in order to give Council time to post and react to
work completed in sufficient time before the teleconference.